PCNA COAs and VW Certificates Options

[JeffBowlsby]

I was perusing my files on a 914 LE that went back over the pond a few years ago (sent from the US), and found the 'COA' from VW that the owner acquired and sent to me. Thought this was potentially an interesting approach to the PPS/CTCs now available.

Not sure where to source these from, perhaps a VW dealership?

[JeffBowlsby]

Poking around on the web I found that these appear to be issued by VW classic:

https://www.volkswagen-classic-parts.com/en...ata-sheets.html

Not 100% sure they can be provided to US customers as their pricing is in euros, but could not find specific information otherwise.

[scallyk9]

Very Interesting! It can't hurt to have too much documentation for my LE (VIN-14854).

Also interesting is the "cannot be identified" items. I wonder if M778 is what my COA calls the " 'CANAM' Limited Edition Package"?

[wonkipop]

Poking around on the web I found that these appear to be issued by VW classic:

https://www.volkswagen-classic-parts.com/en...ata-sheets.html

Not 100% sure they can be provided to US customers as their pricing is in euros, but could not find specific information otherwise.

thanks jeff.
super to see confirmation it can be done through VW europe.
cost would be $160 AUD for me which is absolutely reasonable in capital letters.

i'm doing it. let you know what i get after i do it.

poking around on the website there it would seem you can have the engine number confirmed with a separate attached letter. you tell them the number and they say yes or no.

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[wonkipop]

well, i hit an obstacle already.
filled out my order and proceeded to checkout.
did not give me the option of the country i am in.
i know Australia is irrelevant but.
USA and Canada are options in the drop down menu. which is interesting.
i would think this could mean you guys can certainly try this.

i have sent off an enquiry to see if they can help me out there at VW Classic in Wolfsburg.

and i was all fired up and on to it too! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[JeffBowlsby]

Very Interesting! It can't hurt to have too much documentation for my LE (VIN-14854).

Also interesting is the "cannot be identified" items. I wonder if M778 is what my COA calls the " 'CANAM' Limited Edition Package"?

Bingo! Thats exactly what M778 is. The USA Can Am equipment package. The car on the cert is a US market 914LE, shipped back overseas.

[wonkipop]

good news

VW Classic got back to me inside 6 hours.
i can do the order directly by email to them.
have provided me with complete instructions.

will let you know what i get when it happens.
no doubt it might take some time to arrive down here depending on how they send it.

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[JeffBowlsby]

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[JeffBowlsby]

@wonkipop

Any update on this Michael?

[wonkipop]

@wonkipop

Any update on this Michael?

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its been a real saga for me and i am still progressing it.

because of their silly website i can not nominate australia as the destination for a certificate.

there has been about 5 emails between VW classic germany and myself.
each with about 2 weeks in between. i finally got to the point of the right person taking my details for the car and instructing i would receive a link to a payment site.

theor link did not work.

i am about to send another email attempting to find out if that can be sorted.

i have not given up. don't you worry.

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none of this applies to you guys in either the USA or Canada.
your countries come up on their menu when you fill out an order.
the menu basically lists all EU countries along with the UK, Canada and USA.
however Australia does not and thus.........the difficulty for me.
my joke about living in north antarctica seems to be less a joke and more a reality.
reminds me of my childhood when australia was probably the most obscure country in the world. the tyranny of distance and all that.

however the stage i have gotten to and information i have submitted includes the engine number in the car. VW Classic will confirm the engine number (or not as the case may be) as the engine number that the car was built with. and i have had it confirmed that yes - they do classic certificates for 914s. as per karmann ghias.
all the old karmann factory data is on file with VW Classic.

[DennisV]

Poking around on the web I found that these appear to be issued by VW classic:

Jeff. Proceed with caution! Once you get this, you will for sure end up in the VW corral instead of the Porsche corral at the next event. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

In all seriousness, are you thinking this may have some additional info not obtainable through Porsche COA or Mr. Pateman?

[JeffBowlsby]

It’s another method to factory certification for our 914s.

[wonkipop]

Poking around on the web I found that these appear to be issued by VW classic:

Jeff. Proceed with caution! Once you get this, you will for sure end up in the VW corral instead of the Porsche corral at the next event. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

In all seriousness, are you thinking this may have some additional info not obtainable through Porsche COA or Mr. Pateman?

the porsche COA is useless when it comes to the 914/4s.
porsche can do accurate and fulsome COAs for the 6s - reason is they have the production line build sheets for those cars.
they do not have them for the 4s.
and the reason is fairly obvious if you stop and think about it.
the 4 is completely and utterly built by VW at a VW factory to completion using VW production line documentation and procedures. Karmann was fully owned by VW at that stage.

VW have the factory records for the 4s in all their full detail.
inclusive of engine numbers.
and can confirm and provide this information on the classic certificate.
they also provide the full dates on manufacture.
build inception date. build completion date. and delivery date.
inception being start.
completion is defined as when it actually left the factory carpark and was shipped out.
delivery is defined as when it arrives at shipping destination, which in the case of USA bound cars is arrival at the port of delivery (not the dealer).

try getting that from porsche. you won't.
porsche north america and porsche australia don't access the VW factory records.
i have already confirmed this with porsche australia. i went along to a 356 technical night run by porsche melbourne a few months back and i spoke to one of the old retired parts and mechanic guys there. they knew all about where records for the 914/4 were having done some searches for guys back in the early 90s. they are with karmann. and those karmann records have transferred across to the VW archives since the closure. the records are identical to those held in relation to VW beetle cabrios and VW karmann ghias from the same time period.

thats the reason the best place to get a classic certificate for a 4 is from VW classic in germany.

VW classic germany will not be able to provide a classic certificate for a 914/6.
they don't have the full records for those. the porsche factory has those.


apologies for the detailed answer but just because a 914/4 is called a porsche in north america, does not mean its a porsche. (embracing my NARPNESS here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ).
it isn't.

a 6 is. no different to a 912 or a 911 built by karmann in the 60s. subcontracted fully finished body shells but car completed at porsche in stuttgart and records held in stuttgart.

the 4 is basically a karmann ghia in VW manufacture terms.

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what i am looking for in a VW certificate is that all important info on the engine number it was built with. along with the rather nice way VW actually list all or any options using the original M code non-clamenture.